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It is important to be open-minded and to question things, but it is also important to be mindful of the balance between skepticism and constructive skepticism. Skepticism, or doubt, can be a valuable tool for critical thinking and for helping us to arrive at well-informed conclusions. However, if we doubt or question everything, it can be difficult to make decisions or to have confidence in our beliefs.
Constructive skepticism involves questioning things in a way that is respectful, open-minded, and based on evidence. It allows us to explore different perspectives and to consider multiple viewpoints, while also being mindful of the limitations and biases that may influence our thinking. Constructive skepticism can be a helpful way to challenge our own beliefs and to evaluate new ideas in a thoughtful and objective manner.
In general, it is a good idea to be open to new ideas and to be willing to question our beliefs, but it is also important to be mindful of the balance between skepticism and constructive skepticism.
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We should. But questioning is a different thing than outright rejecting it. To question is to weigh in the facts.
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You absolutely 100 percent should question everything, and question it hard. But you should also accept the right answer when you find it. There's a fine line between scepticism and cynicism.
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We should.
But you don't you call anyone who disagrees with your religious tripe a 'leftist ' or a 'Nazi '
But questioning is a different thing than outright rejecting
Says you a clot who believes in spirits
it. To question is to weigh in the facts.
LOL what are the 'facts ' regarding spirits?
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You honestly believe that piece of biblical clap -trap ? Seriously ?
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Well said Dee. Hope you are well.
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Thanks Nom. I'm great as I hope you are , long time no see , hope life is treating you well
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Hi Dee. Yes, I'm well thank you. I stopped using this place for quite a while. Afraid to say I was spending a lot of time posting on that hive of scum and villainy known as Reddit.
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Hi Dee. Yes, I'm well thank you.
Glad to hear it
I stopped using this place for quite a while.
I'm on Reddit most days, mainly on the debate an Atheist sub , the site is very heavy on censorship and slamming down on ' bad language' seems to have a lot of very sensitive souls on site.
Any topics on there you recommend for good debate?
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Some of these guys are so silly I honestly don't know how they manage to tie their own shoelaces without assistance.
Censorship is exactly why I've come to dislike Reddit so much. You absolutely nailed it. It's a cesspit of censorship.
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@Dee
I weighed the facts, and I believe the bible is true. I questioned and decided its true. If I decided it's false I rejected it - but rejection is not equal to questioning. If I rejected the fact that the earth was round then I would be dumb. Now you backwardseden-of-debateisland leave to space.
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You weighed no facts. The Bible is demonstrably historically inaccurate and is littered with stories which literally defy the known laws of physics.
That's awesome. I questioned it also, but because I'm unaware of any other occasions where zombies rose from the dead, alchemists magicked wine from water and grand wizards parted the sea with their hands, I'm afraid I came to a more rational conclusion than you did.
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I weighed the facts, and I believe the bible is true.
What facts did you weigh you id-ot?
I questioned and decided its true.
Ahh right so you 'questioned ' the part that mentions a talking donkey and then concluded it must be right because there was a talking serpent in the garden of Eden .......is your st-pidity genetic?
If I decided it's false I rejected it - but rejection is not equal to questioning.
I don't know who this is but coming from you with 3 different accounts I find that amusing , your every response to those who school you is "you're a Nazi " "you're a leftist " .........I also see that like the vile racist you are you firmly align yourself with fellow racist Bogend ......seriously?
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I make allowances for most being Muricans where stupidity seems to be a badge of honour; on here we have John who believes god is a mathematical equation ( he's Murican) Ersflat who seriously believes the earth is flat ( he's Murican) , Maxx who believes garlic is a wonder cure and hospitals world wide don't cure patients with it as there's no money in it for them.
You get the picture , then we have the rabid low IQ racist cretins like Bogend and Pepsiguy who accuse everyone of being leftist.
Mention minimum wage , free healthcare for the poor or any social policies and they all come out of the woodwork screaming blue murder , there are also in fairness a few decent sorts but they are the exception
The censorship on Reddit is indeed ridiculous and yet again it's proves the collective cognitive dissonance that's a part of American life as Americans constantly bleat "we have the best goddamned constiiiiitiiitution in the world and freedom of speech like no other country " and then ban you for making comments that they don't agree with
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I definitely understand. I watched a documentary a couple of weeks ago about the build-up to the capitol riots and they were showing some interviews with average Americans. Even I was shocked with just how dumb some of these people are.
Yup, I was arguing with him last night. He doesn't understand basic math, physics, and he struggles with the English language. He essentially just writes large quantities of complete gibberish and hopes you're too confused to debunk it.
Oh dear. Lol!
Hahahahaha!
Yup, I've spoken to both of those halfwits. Bogend is a white power ultra-nationalist with the intellectual maturity of a four year old and Pepsiguy is a religious fanatic who thinks homosexuals should be stoned to death.
I know the type very well. In fact, it has pretty much become normal to violently protest against your own best interests in Muricah.
What? You want to give me free healthcare, a job for life and a reasonable minimum wage? I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS COMMUNISM!
If it wasn't so tragic it would be utterly comical.
Dee, you are so precisely accurate it's uncanny. There's a cognitive dissonance going on in the States which is just simply shocking.
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Your observations regarding Muricans are spot on, when I mentioned on this site that Muricans are being fleeced on healthcare they defend tooth and nail the system that does and insists the system keeps doing it; an old saying in my country is " if you have an a-s you ride it " Muricans are a nation of asses that deserve to be ridden
Many years ago I was looking at the ceiling in the Sistine Chapel with the wife when the silence was suddenly broken by a group of obese Muricans sporting the national attire of outsized Hawaiian shirts and baseball caps one of these village id-its bellowed " hey that ain't half as good as the wall painting my uncle Luther painted on a cafe wall in Texas "
High culture to these drooling id-ots is a Big Mac with a gallon of Pepsi followed by a gallon tub of ice cream and a fantasy movie about how Murica won the Second World War the tragedy is they believe this fantasy is fact
Just laughed at this site I tried to put in a-s as in the first s and it won't allow, more Murican freedom of speech
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Roflmao. Oh Dee, I was in tears reading this. So true.
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A site called bored panda asked viewers to post up the stupidest things Muricans have ever asked them , here are three ......I spit my beer out laughing .......
They asked if I lived in a pyramid. I’m from Egypt. It has happened multiple times.
Got asked if we have electricity in Germany, I replied that in Germany we have to run in our giant hamster wheels to generate power.
"I didn't know Alabama had its own language." After I said I speak Albanian.
How do there's id-ots actually function as in make a living it's a complete mystery to me?
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One of the essential assumptions of my model of the world is that, all other things being equal, generally one is happier when not hungry than when hungry. I have tested this assumption in a variety of circumstances and have found it to consistently being true. There are rare exceptions to it: sometimes being hungry and still, say, keeping climbing that mountain, saving your food reserves for later, can be a fun challenge in itself - however, it is still a good idea to always have a food surplus on you, in order to make sure that you never are hungry when you do not want to be hungry.
If someone tries to convince me that no, actually, being hungry would make me generally happier than not being hungry, then I will not be open to considering this idea seriously: it would be, for all intents and purposes, a waste of time. The tiny 0.00000000000001% probability that I would change my mind upon considering this idea seriously is dominated by the amount of time and mental effort I would need to put into thinking this idea through. I will take the tiny chance of being wrong over the enormously high chance of wasting my time and energy for nothing.
When we get to finer points, however, then my mind becomes increasingly open for a change. During a hard and long hike, how should I distribute consuming my food reserves? Should I eat the bulk of it early on? Late on? Should I evenly spread my rations? Should I have 2-3 large meals in the middle of the hike, or a large number of small meals?
Over the course of hundreds of hard hikes I have developed certain strategies that empirically work. I find that generally stopping to drink a bit of water every 15-20 minutes and eating 200-300 calories worth of food every hour or so works well: this strategy has never failed me and has allowed me to consistently finish long hikes at an acceptable time and never run out of steam.
However, if someone tries to convince me that, in fact, it is better to only eat three large meals, one at the beginning of the hike, another in the middle, and the third at the end, then I will be quite receptive to the message. This strategy does not sound absolutely insane to me, and there is a merit to it. Empirically, this is not a strategy that works well for me - but, perhaps, I simply have not given it a fair shot.
In the end, it is all about efficiency: does the expected benefit of questioning the claim that you believe to be true outweigh the expected cost of doing so?
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You've already explained in the first part of your post that you had to go through a learning curve before accepting that. In your own words, when you were born, you were "confused about everything." You didn't instinctively know that you would be happier not being hungry. It was something you had to learn through experience (i.e. asking questions).
When I read your post, I asked some questions. I asked whether there is a direct cause/effect relationship between happiness and hunger. Does being hungry preclude me from being happy? Since the answer is no, I was able to establish that you are using a fallacy. A well-fed man whose entire family has just been killed in an earthquake mere moments ago is probably not going to be as happy as an undernourished man who has just won the lottery. By asking questions I was able to discover the fallacy in your example.
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I added "all other things being equal" for a reason, and I followed the quoted part immediately with the clarification that this is merely the general rule of thumb and that there are exceptions.
I am not sure why every time you are responding to me, you are responding for something different than what I actually wrote.
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It isn't that there are exceptions, May. It's that you're trying to conflate two different variables which are only loosely related. Being happy is a condition of the mind and being hungry is a condition of the body. The body consumes food not to be happy, but to survive.
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"Nomenclatures" brain has not learned that evolutionary trick yet.
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I am not conflating them, and I have clearly presented an example in which these variables take different values than what one would expect from the general trend. You are looking for something in my argument that is not there.
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This ^^^^^. I believe the the guy is a troll only good for being trollfood himself. @MayCaesar.
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Please stop. Clearly, you are conflating them. You literally wrote:-
You are assuming a direct causal relationship between happiness and not being hungry. Furthermore, you are deflecting entirely from the central point that you can only come to conclusions like that after asking questions.
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You are the troll pal. Yesterday you spent three hours in a debate about a math question without ever answering the question. When I asked you what you were doing in the thread, you replied that you were "there to toy" with me.
Go away, you useless twerp.
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*sigh*... Here is the full quote which you conveniently cut off in the middle:
I think now is a proper time for an apology. Will you be the hero of the day and say the magic sentence?
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You will find he does this a lot btw. @MayCaesar. I don't see much point in having a proper debate with someone this disingenuous.
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Your full quote was three long paragraphs. I quoted the part which was relevant to the argument, which is how quotes work.
That part of your sentence is irrelevant. The relevant part of your sentence is:-
As I've explained to you twice now, you are assuming a direct cause/effect relationship between hunger and happiness. Happiness is not necessarily affected by hunger either one way or the other, and so for the third time your argument is a fallacy.
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Stop piggybacking someone else's argument, and go away you boring, useless, sad little man.
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Something further for you to consider is that there are various stages of hunger. It isn't a single condition.
And you're having a laugh if you expect me to apologise to you. How about you apologise to me for deflecting the main point for two hours, that you reached your conclusion after asking questions?
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He is creative in his butchering of others' words. I like that!
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https://patient.info/news-and-features/hangry-why-do-we-get-angry-when-we-are-hungry
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That's because you cut and pasted five separate quotes together into one, included no context linking them together and didn't explain what relevance any of them had to your own argument. Clearly, this is another fallacy. Specifically, you're using something called a false analogy.
I'm still waiting for my apology. You owe me an apology for the following reasons:-
1) You conflated hunger and happiness, showing no direct cause/effect relationship for why one would affect the other. You then ignored me when I pointed out that the former is a condition of the body, while the latter is a condition of the mind.
2) You denied conflating hunger and happiness, and argued that because you'd prefaced it with "all things being equal", your fallacy was OK to use.
3) You ignored the main point of my argument several times (and continue to do so), that your entire premise would not be possible without asking yourself questions about hunger and its effect on happiness.
4) You ignored me when I pointed out that hunger is not a single condition, but rather a spectrum of conditions.
In short May, you are one of these people who simply ignores anything you can't answer or which debunks your position, and you instead zero in on whatever you feel will win you the argument.
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Eh, his comments are not worth discussing at this point.
On the topic of hunger, there seem to be many different mechanisms at play, often counteracting each other. Going on a long 24+ hour fast seems to have the opposite effect, with your feelings generally dulled (which is likely a consequence of the slowed down metabolism as the body tries to conserve as much energy as possible). From my personal experience, the 40+ hour fast that I did out of curiosity a few months ago put me in a strange serene state at the end of it, something similar to when you are quite a bit drunk, but also strangely happy at the same time.
But in my comment by "happiness" I did not really mean the immediate feelings of bliss or satisfaction, but, rather, general enjoyment of one's life. Someone who is very hungry can still enjoy whatever activity they are partaking it, but the feeling of hunger will necessarily take away from it. Enjoying hunger simply is impossible biologically, although enjoying certain implications of it ("Look how tough I am: I have not eaten anything for 3 days, and still I am crushing it!") is quite possible.
Which is also why severely restricted diets do not and cannot work and are not sustainable. A diet must be enjoyable in order to persist, otherwise the primal biological mechanisms will eventually kick in and override the conscious instructions in the brain. Again, there are outlier cases such as anorexics who derive some sort of pleasure from such diets - but it is not a physical pleasure, but pleasure of silencing one's inner demons. Anorexics are generally very miserable, and, somewhat ironically, staying severely malnutritioned is the primary coping mechanism they develop in response to that misery. It is a vicious circle.
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Lol.
Translation: I lack the courage and/or emotional strength to acknowledge he has a point, so I'm just going to stop debating him, do the easy thing and team up with someone else to bully him.
Because there's no direct cause/effect relationship between happiness and hunger, just like I've been explaining to you for the last three hours. In fact, it has long been suspected that regular fasting can lead to an increased lifespan. Two billion Muslims are perfectly happy to perform Ramadan every year, and were they to break the fast and eat midway through, their actions would be abundantly more likely to produce feelings of deep guilt and shame than happiness, blowing your "generally speaking" pretext out of the water.
A person can't remain hungry indefinitely. They have about a month. Your backtracking is only going to tie you up in knots. It's much simpler to simply admit that what you wrote initially was nonsense than try to refine it with further nonsense. Almost every person in the world falls into this prideful trap.
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Look sunshine, if you don't moderate your language and calm down, I think you will end up like Dee, Piloteer, Barnadot, and jack/excon. Other contributors just will not respond to your posts.
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Lmao. This, coming from the proud racist who thinks his bigotry is grounded in science, is a most amusing accusation. Listen Adolf, I'm here to debate people, not stroke their fragile egos.
One of approximately three intelligent contributors on the entire site? I sure hope so.
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Look sunshine, if you don't moderate your language and calm down, I think you will end up like Dee, Piloteer, Barnadot, and jack/excon. Other contributors just will not respond to your posts.
You really mean everyone who thrashes you in debate , no one responds to your hate posts ......every time your mother looks at you she quiet reasonably thinks " christ I had the option to swallow , why the Hell didn't I?"
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Hi Nom, Bogend after years of attempting to tie his shoelaces was presented with a pair of slip ons by the local charity for Christmas his inbred family are still trying to work out how you get them on .....
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Another well reasoned and insightful logical argument from Dee.
Says Bogend who types up a novel of pure nonsense when asked a simple question, your village is missing you
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Your problem is that you have not shown that to be a fact. You simply assume it to be true without actually testing your theory, which is precisely how people get things wrong. Once again, referring back to my initial point, this is exactly why everything must be questioned and/or tested.
Hunger Can Make You Happy.
Contrary to the moans of many dieters, being hungry may make you happy. Or, at least, it can be a serious motivator whose evolutionary intent was to help you find dinner instead of becoming dinner.
When our bodies notice we need more calories, levels of a hormone called ghrelin increase. Ghrelin is known to spur hunger, but new research suggests this may be a side effect of its primary job as a stress-buster.
Researchers manipulated ghrelin levels in mice through a variety of methods, including prolonged calorie restriction, ghrelin injection and a genetic modification rendering the mice numb to ghrelin’s effect.
Mice who had limited ghrelin activity seemed depressed. If pushed into deep water they made no effort to swim. When introduced to a maze, they clung to the entryway. And when placed with other mice, they tended to keep to themselves. (These behaviors were reversed when the mice were given a low-dose antidepressant commonly prescribed to humans.)
In contrast, mice with high levels of ghrelin swam energetically in deep water, looking for escape. They eagerly explored new environments. And they were much more social.
Mice are thought to be good analogues for humans in tests like these. The study, funded by the National Institutes of Health and other organizations, is detailed in the July 2008 issue of the journal Nature Neuroscience.
https://www.livescience.com/2694-hunger-happy.html
By arrogantly rejecting objections to your own conclusions without even investigating if they are valid, you only do the world a disservice.
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Does the article conclude or state that hunger DOES make you happy? No it doesn't.
Your investigation and evidence are poor and amateurish to say the least.
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As expected, you are radically missing the point. I don't need the article to conclude anything. All I need is for the article to demonstrate that arbitrary conclusions shouldn't be drawn, absent rigorous testing, simply because they seem reasonable to the observer. It is perhaps no wonder that someone of your low intellectual calibre automatically wants to deflect into a pointless argument about semantics.
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@Swolliw. Excuse me if I sound harsh but could you please try not to include me in arguments that having nothing to do with me. I have no idea who Nom is debating with but it definitely isn't me. However, if you would like to interfere with the debate between him and his imaginary converser then that is your prerogative. Please just don't include me.
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